Was Ted Bundy active in Arizona?, Part Two. By Jessica J. Jurewicz-Woods.

Aleca Renee Manning was born on March 13, 1952 in Fairbanks, Alaska and was adopted shortly after by James and Norma Manning. I wasn’t able to find out a lot about her background and childhood but apparently she ‘has a few half-siblings out there.’ Ms. Manning had green eyes, brown hair, was roughly 5’2” tall, weighed 125 pounds and was biracial (white and Native American). Aleca was described as ‘friendly, a happy flower child, and probably a bit naive… too trusting.’ Norma Manning worked as a receptionist and bookkeeper for a few different employers in Alaska, Arizona, and Texas. It was reported that she had an incredibly toxic relationship with her husband and after they divorced she took Aleca and moved to Arizona (James eventually moved there too and remarried). After finishing high school, Mr. Manning attended the University of Idaho and the Pacific Coast Banking School in Seattle and got a job in the banking industry; at one time he was the VP/Manager of Valley National Bank in Metha, AZ.

Also referred to as ‘Leca’ and ‘Lisa’ (pronounced ‘uh-Lisa’), in 1970 Aleca graduated from Westwood High School in Mesa, AZ (it’s incorrectly listed as 1971 in multiple sources). Leca was supposedly a bit of a wild child and reportedly struggled with some substance abuse issues. According to a family member, alcoholism ran in the Manning family: ‘her grandmother (who is Norma sister) died of alcoholism living homeless at a YMCA. And when Lisa was young Norma had a very volatile relationship with her husband. They left Alaska either to get away from him or because he died. Aunt Norma told me he was very abusive.’ (I realize this wouldn’t really apply to Aleca since she was adopted but maybe growing up in an environment with lots of alcohol around her trigger a budding problem). 

Aleca was last seen on February 17, 1975 at roughly 10:30 PM at the Celebrity Theatre located at 440 North 32nd Street in Phoenix, Arizona. The twenty-two year old went to a Jerry Jeff Walker concert but at some point got separated from her friend group. She failed to come home that night and never showed up for work the following day. It’s hypothesized that she may have indulged in some form of drug use at the concert (no judgment, we were all young once) and I wonder if this made her more vulnerable and easier to abduct or lure away. Denise Naslund apparently took a few Valiums with alcohol before she was abducted from Lake Sammamish in July 1974 and I hope this doesn’t come off the wrong way (I say this as an addict with over 12 years sober) but I hope whatever she took dulled her senses enough that she wasn’t aware of the fact that her life was ending. Aleca was last seen wearing a dark green floor-length coat, a light green blouse with moss green pants, and dark tan shoes.

As of April 2023 no one has been charged in the disappearance of Aleca Manning but foul play is suspected. Leca’s family feels that whoever she left that concert with is most likely who abducted her and that her killer most likely dumped her remains in a desert. What’s interesting is when I was doing research on this case I stumbled upon some comments from a relative of Aleca’s on the website ‘Websleuths’ (user name is Kristine55 and Norma was her great Aunt): ‘Norma Manning is sisters with my father’s mother. Leca (I will use Lisa so I can dictate). She would be very touched to know that people still care. Now that Norma is gone I look from time to time to see if there’s any updates and that’s how I found you all.’ … ‘One more thing I don’t think that Lisa would have run away and never contacted her mom again… There was no reason. The way Norma described the relationship it was these two against the world and that she was a precious wonderful little girl. Lisa was the center of Normas life.’ … ‘Her family thinks that a serial killer got her and that she probably left with him. And there is a possibility but she was taking drugs at night. We have always felt that her body is somewhere in the desert. The only good thing I can say is I know that they were united now I don’t believe this because of religion but because of physics and the fact that everything in life is waves of energy… Matter cannot be destroyed it can only be changed. I feel like they found each other again. I was born in January 1975 and I never met Lisa or if I did I was less than two months old. She still has an effect on my life because I’m still thinking about her. Her and I look eerily similar at the same age. I feel like I’m just checking up to see what’s going on because I’m carrying the torch for aunt Norma. Incidentally, I graduated high school in Tucson Arizona. I wanted to go see Morrissey in concert in Phoenix when I was 17… I was not allowed to go without my stepmother. I don’t think my dad’s forgotten what happened to Lisa either.’

At the time Manning disappeared Ted was living in Salt Lake City and was enrolled in law school for a second time. He was unemployed and still in a long-distance relationship with Liz Kloepfer (although its common knowledge he was routinely unfaithful to her). The drive from his apartment to the Celebrity Theater in Phoenix, Arizona would have been slightly over a twenty-two hour trip for Bundy (or about 1,421 miles one way). If you look at the ‘TB MultiAgency Investigative Team Report 1992,’ it was noted that he took a phone call in SLC the day Manning disappeared (also Caryn Campbell’s body was found 2.8 miles away from The Wildwood Inn in Aspen). In my opinion, it seems unlikely that Bundy killed Aleca (but apparently there are some sort of errors/inaccuracies in the report so who knows).

As we know, Ted didn’t have a problem driving hundreds of miles in one night while hunting for his prey. Another two abductions that fit in Bundy’s mid-1970’s time frame are Cynthia and Jackie Leslie, who vanished in Mesa, AZ on July 31, 1974 (Teri is covering the sisters’ background in Part One so I won’t be redundant here). They were last seen In Mesa walking to a friend’s house shortly after leaving their residence in the Desert Shores Mobile Home Park. We know at the time they disappeared in 1974 Bundy was living at the Rogers Rooming house in Seattle, so if he killed them he would have had to drive to Mesa, then back again to Seattle… one way is over 22 hours, that’s almost an entire days worth of driving just one way with no breaks. In my opinion, that’s a bit of a stretch. Additionally, I drove a newer VW for over three years and that’s a very long trip for a car like that. And Bundy drove a LOT… how long could an old Beetle last with him driving around the country like that?

There really isn’t much out there on whether or not Bundy was active in Arizona (when you search ‘Ted Bundy’ and ‘Arizona’ together you mostly get a lot of news articles on Ted from AZ based newspapers). I’ve never seen it discussed in any TB related literature, and even searching websites like Reddit/YouTube (where people LOVE weird conspiracy type shit like this) relevant information is slim pickings. Oddly enough, one of the only things I found was a really popular BuzzFeed video (with a whopping 4.5 million views) titled ‘Was my Mom Followed by Ted Bundy?,’ where a young man simply going by the name of ‘Chris’ discusses an alleged encounter his Mom had with Ted Bundy in the middle-1970’s in Oak Creek Canyon in Arizona. Unfortunately, Chris doesn’t give much of a time frame beyond it was ‘summer in the mid-70’s’ (I asked for a better idea of when this event took place with no response and searched through the YouTube comments for clarification with no success), which obviously leaves us wide open as far as where Bundy was living at the time and how long his drive to the Canyon would have been. The story goes (I’m only going to briefly summarize this because you can find the transcript in Teri’s article): Chris’s Mother, Aunt, and their friend went to Oak Creek Canyon in Arizona, and while sitting at a pond just hanging out, enjoying the day they noticed a well-dressed man staring at them from across the water. Eventually he got up and started walking over to them ‘with intent,’ so the three friends got in their car and got out of there to not escalate the situation. Surprisingly, the mystery man got in his vehicle and followed them in a ‘yellowish, cream colored VW Beetle.’ Panicked, they finally pulled into a gas station and thankfully the man drove right by them. Fast forward about 15 years: Chris’ Mom (I’m not exactly sure what else to call her) is watching the news and sees that Bundy is about to be put to death in Florida. She sees his face and immediately realizes it was the man that followed her that day in the 1970’s. Oddly enough, her sister was watching the same news broadcast and immediately called to say that she felt it was him that followed them as well.

If this encounter happened on the earlier end of the mid-70’s when he was living in Seattle it would have been over a twenty-one hour drive just one-way (or roughly 1,375 miles). Ted moved into a room at Ernst and Freda Rogers boarding house in September 1969 lived there until September 2, 1974 when he moved from Salt Lake City to attend law school at the University of Utah. Now, if he would have driven to Oak Creek Canyon in Arizona while living in Utah it would have been about a little over an eight and a half hour drive, one way. But let’s not forget, he did abduct Roberta Kathleen Parks from the University of Oregon in Corvallis while living in Seattle, which was almost a five hour drive away (I know that’s still over 3.5 hours closer than Oak Creek Canyon but it helps prove my point that Bundy had no problem driving long distances).

What doesn’t make sense to me about this is I’ve never heard of Bundy going after three victims at once. Shit, it isn’t even confirmed he abducted more than one girl at the same time, even though it’s speculated he may have been involved in the 1969 Jersey Parkway murders where two girlfriends on vacation Memorial Day weekend were killed as well as the brutal assault of two stewardesses from the Capitol Hill area of Seattle in 1966. I mean, I’m not saying it wasn’t Ted, but I’m also not saying it was. About this story my friend Erin Banks points out in her book ‘Ted Bundy: Examining the Unconfirmed Survivor Stories‘ that he ‘had coveralls in the trunk at all times. I have some trouble imagining that Bundy, dressed in a suit and tie, would chase after a group of women.’ Good point Erin.

We know Ted has never officially been linked to Arizona (no unconfirmed victims are from there either) but in my mind it really isn’t that far-fetched that he would have driven states away to commit more crimes against humanity. In fact, the more jurisdictions to help trip up the police the better (law enforcement in the 70’s were notorious for not sharing information with one another). In the only other semi-useful piece of information I could find about this topic, (a Reddit thread titled ‘Ted Bundy was active in Arizona’), user ‘Gothkatt’ begins by breaking down Chris’ BuzzFeed video, pointing out that the incident took place in the mid-70’s, which as we all know aligns up with Bundy’s murder spree (which officially went from 1974 to 1978 even though he was incarcerated for a good chunk of 1976 and almost all of 1977). What’s interesting about this time frame is that there are five unsolved missing female cases in Arizona from 1974-1975. The first case from this period took place on September 20, 1973: law enforcement deemed the disappearance of 14 year old Dorothy Mildred Clitheroe to be ‘fairly unremarkable’ and they strongly speculated that she ran away from home to a different state. I discussed the disappearance of Aleca Manning and Teri covered the two Leslie sisters. The fifth and final individual from that time period vanished on September 10, 1975, which was after Ted was arrested (a 21 year-old named Kristina Ann Perkins). After Perkins disappeared in Fall 1975 there was a two year gap and the next missing woman’s case didn’t occur until 1977.

Oddly enough as I was proofreading this (and almost ready to release it) I stumbled upon a third source of information in the form of a TikTok video: a user by the name of ‘mattyicerants‘ said that in 1969 his Mother drove her VW Beetle from New York to Arizona and took a pit stop at the Grand Canyon. While there she ran into a gentleman (driving a tan colored Bug) and asked if he ‘wouldn’t mind taking her picture;’ ‘Bundy’ agreed (the user couldn’t find the print but claims to have seen it). ‘Mattyicerants’ went on to elaborate that the same year Bundy went through a break up (with Diane Edwards) and because of that heartache he drove ‘all around the country.’ This is easily debunk-able as the ‘TB Multiagency Investigative Team Report 1992’ pinpoints that Ted bought his tan/gold/bronze/tan/cream/off-white/yellow Beetle in spring 1973. Also, in 1969 Ted was in Pennsylvania for roughly the first half of the year and when he went home to Tacoma he was driving a professors car (dropping it off in California then going to Tacoma). I was unable to find what kind of car it was.

Exactly seven years to the day she disappeared, in 1982 Norma Manning had her daughter officially declared dead in the state of Texas. She moved to Myra, TX to be close to her Father and died on July 12, 2008 at the age of 86; she never fully recovered from her daughter’s disappearance. James Manning passed away in August 1971. As of April 2023 the disappearance of Aleca Manning remains unsolved.

Works Cited.
Aleca Renee Manning’s 1968 Westwood High School senior picture.
Aleca Renee Manning’s 1970 Westwood High School senior picture.
Aleca’s senior year activities according to the 1970 Westwood High School yearbook.
Aleca Renee Manning.
Aleca Renee Manning.
Leca Manning.
A missing persons poster for Aleca Renee Manning.
A gravesite for Aleca despite her remains never being recovered.
The Celebrity Theatre in Arizona.
Aleca’s father, James Manning. He was apparently married three times and had one son and two daughters
The obituary for Aleca’s Father, James Manning published by The Lewiston Tribune on August 9, 1971.
Aleca’s Mother Norma’s senior yearbook picture from the 1940 Gainesville High School yearbook.
The obituary for Aleca’s Mother, Norma Manning.
An article about the Jerry Jeff Walker published in The Arizona Republic on February 18, 1975.
The Leslie sisters with their Mother. Obviously Teri is covering the girls so I’m not putting an overabundance of information about them here.
A photo of Jackie and Cindy Leslie’s Mother holding a picture of her missing daughters.
A missing persons poster for the Leslie sisters.
Teds whereabouts in 1969 according to the ‘Ted Bundy Multiagency Investigative Team Report 1992.’
The whereabouts of Ted Bundy when Cynthia and Jackie Leslie were abducted on July 31, 1974 according to the ‘Ted Bundy Multiagency Investigative Team Report 1992.’
The whereabouts of Ted Bundy when Aleca Manning was abducted on February 17, 1975 according to the ‘Ted Bundy Multiagency Investigative Team Report 1992.’
A list of Teds vehicles according to the ‘Ted Bundy Multiagency Investigative Team Report 1992.’
Missing women in Arizona from the period Bundy was active according to the Doe Network.
Just as a point of reference, the Celebrity Theatre where Aleca was last seen is only about 25 minutes away from where the Leslie sisters were last seen.
A possible route Bundy would have taken from his first Utah apartment on 1st Ave N to Oak Creek Canyon in Arizona.
Oak Creek Canyon in Arizona.
A possible route Bundy would have taken from the Rogers Rooming House in Seattle to Oak Creek Canyon in Arizona.
A possible route Bundy may have taken from the Rogers Rooming House to the University of Oregon in Corvallis.
A comment on a message board from a family member about Aleca’s disappearance.
A comment from a family member (‘Websleuths’ user ‘Kristine55’) about Aleca’s disappearance.
A comment from a family member (Websleuths user ‘Kristine55’) about Aleca’s disappearance.
A comment from a family member (Websleuths user ‘Kristine55’) about Aleca’s disappearance.
A comment from a family member (‘Websleuths’ user ‘Kristine55’) about Aleca’s disappearance.
A comment from a family member (‘Websleuths’ user ‘Kristine55’) about Aleca’s disappearance.
The thumbnail for the Buzzfeed video I discussed above.
A screen grab for the TikTok video I discussed above.

Was Ted Bundy Active in Arizona?, Part One. By Teri Phillips Offield.

Was it ever confirmed? No. Could he have killed in Arizona? Absolutely. I am here to convince you it could have happened. Keep your mind open, we are dealing with Bundy, after all. Anything is possible. I don’t have concrete proof, but no one will ever know how many more states he committed murder in. The times do line up and he killed girls in Colorado, Utah, Washington, Idaho, Oregon, and Florida. Utah is right above Arizona and Colorado is very close too, so why wouldn’t he also travel to Arizona?

A map of the US.

The second map is the US in the 1970s. Both maps show how easy it would
have been to come into Arizona from the other states he was active in. Arizona has
miles of desert, and he could have buried girls never to be found again.
Looking at the chart, in 1974, he was in four states: Utah, Washington, Oregon,
and Idaho. Arizona is right there.

Here is a video I found: This person is wondering the same thing: If Bundy
ever was in AZ. Here again, no real proof, only the suggestion of him being in
Arizona.
This video has the author raising the same questions as I had. It really could
have happened. As a reminder, it was hard to track someone in the 70s. He could
have easily paid cash for gas as a lot of us did at that time. I believe this was why
he got away with murdering so many girls because it was so hard to track
someone. The 70s was also a time when we were raised to help others, which was
the downfall of the victims.

YouTube Video, “Ted Bundy was Active in Arizona.”

Next is a video and I provided the transcript to read. Three women claimed to have been chased by a well-dressed man in a cream-colored VW bug. Listen and see.

BuzzFeed Video, “Was My Mom Followed By Ted Bundy?”

My mom was followed by a murderer, and this is that story.
All right so this story goes all the way back to the mid-1970s.
So, this is my mom’s junior year of high school.
Well it was the end of her junior year of high school, I guess I should say.
Actually, it was the start of her summer vacation.
It was a beautiful day so my mom, her sister, and her friend, decided to take a little day trip.
So, the three of them hop in the car and they’re off.
So, it takes them about two and a half hours to get there.
They’re listening to the radio, talking about things they wanna do for the summer, and eventually
they arrive at their destination, Oak Creek Canyon Park.
So, for context this trip and this entire story is all taking place in Northern Arizona.
The park they’re at sits in the middle of Coconino National Forest.
So, one of the main reasons they wanted to go to this park is because it’s absolutely gorgeous over there. There’s trees, mountains…
One of the things they notice when they get there is that it is very open.
Almost too open.  So, they park their car in a small parking lot and they start scoping out an area for them to hang out.  They end up plopping down at a small pond
by the park with plans to just hang out for a few hours.  They had bought some food, they were maybe gonna do a picnic.  They didn’t really know, other than the fact
that they were just enjoying, that summer had just begun.
I feel like it’s important to mention that my mom has been to this park before.
She’s been there a few times with some friends and what not.  But it was very empty that day.
Which was strange for such a nice day. Anyway, so there they are just hanging out,
when suddenly my mom notices a man across the pond. A couple minutes go by and my mom is sitting there trying to stay engaged in the conversation with her sister, when she stares back across the pond. The man is still standing there.
He’s staring at them, rubbing his chin thoughtfully like, I see you.
Obviously, my mom’s first thought is, “what they hell is this guy doing out here by himself?”
and “why is he staring at us like that?” Trying her best not to stare back she does a few quick glances at best and she notices his clothes. He’s really well dressed.
Which is just another weird detail that didn’t seem to add up to my mom.
“We should just move to another area. “I’m getting really creeped out”, she thought to herself.
After deciding that the situation isn’t normal, she gets the attention
of her sister and her friend, pointing at the man staring
at them across the pond. They tell her she’s overthinking it
and she’s just being crazy. He’s probably there just enjoying
the park like anyone else would. It is a public park after all.
And you know they were probably right. People are allowed to be outside.
People are allowed to go to public parks. Whatever. Still feeling uneasy, my mom tries her best
to go back to just enjoying her day. Out of the corner of her eye,
she notices a slight movement. Instantly her eyes dart back across the pond.
The man isn’t there anymore. Suddenly she catches sight of the man.
He’s walking along the edge of the pond, headed their direction.
The scariest part, he was walking with intention. He was walking toward them.
And to my mom, that was it. So as to not escalate the situation
any further, because my mom had no idea what was going to happen, my mom
softly but sternly pointed out the man walking across the pond.
Finally, they all agree that something wasn’t right about this situation,
and that they should move, now. As quickly and quietly as they could,
they gathered their things and headed back to the car.
All the while, my mom is sneaking glances at him. He was still there, walking with an even
quicker pace than he was before. Closing in on where they had just been seconds before.
My mom will say to this day, she had the worst feeling in the pit of her stomach.
She was practically hyperventilating. Out of fear, instinct, caution,
whatever you wanna call it, my mom picks up a rock on the way to the car.
They reach the car; they throw their stuff in the trunk and they pile in.
My mom is hunched over in the back seat clutching the rock for dear life.
She peaks out the back window as the car starts.
She doesn’t see him. Wherever he was, they needed to get outta there.
With the tires practically squealing out of the parking lot, they race
down the same road they drove in on. At this point, everyone’s eyes
are glued to the rearview mirror. “So that was weird,” my mom thought to herself.
Rock in hand, my mom was definitely shaken up.
My mom’s sister, the one who was driving the car, quickly looks in the rearview mirror,
and she says, “oh my god look.” The energy in the air, they felt cold.
They just felt wrong. Slowly my mom peers out the back window one more time.
To her horror, she sees a car emerging from the same parking lot, following them.
She’ll never forget the feeling of watching a yellowish, cream-colored, Volkswagen Beetle
slowly gaining ground on them.
Now, everyone was truly terrified. What did this person want?
Why was he following them? All my mom knew was this person is evil.
She could feel it. Her sister floors the gas peddle,
and luckily, they were able to maintain a distance between themselves and this man.
Eventually they get to a gas station, and they pull over to what they hope is safety.
To their surprise, and ultimately their relief, the man drives right by them.
My mom, my mom’s sister and her friend, they were all really unsettled by the whole thing.
Now, you’re probably wondering why I just told you that story, please don’t go anywhere.
I’m about to explain the craziest part. So about 15 years go by.
My mom’s just at home, minding her own business watching the news, when she sees
that convicted serial killer Ted Bundy is about to be sentenced to death.
She’s watching the news learning more about this man, and she learns that he was well dressed,
he drove a yellow, cream-colored Volkswagen Beetle, and he committed several murders in Colorado. Which is right about Arizona.
And as she’s watching the news, the phone rings. My mom’s sister, my aunt who was with her
when this happened all those years ago, is watching the same broadcast when she calls my mom.
And without even saying hello, the very first thing my aunt says is,
“Do you think it was him?” And without missing a beat, my mom slowly says,
“I know it was him.”

Now, I know you might be thinking that Ted didn’t chase his victims, but he
did chase Carol DaRonch after she got away so he could have done that. So, he
was not above chasing his victims.

There are many missing girls from Ted Bundy’s timeline, and we may never
know if he killed them or not. There are several missing girls from this timeline in
Arizona. The ones that stick out for me are 2 sisters that went missing in 1974. If
you check the timeline, you can see he was active in all states in 1974. He could
have easily come down to Arizona and tricked those girls in his car. He could have
had another car he was using too.
The first two are sisters who both went missing on July 31st, 1974. They
were 13 and 15 years old. Bundy was very active during 1974 and is confirmed to
have murdered two young women near Seattle. Two weeks later the two Arizona
girls go missing. Could he be responsible? And why would he have traveled that
far? Well, Bundy had moved to Utah for law school during this time, which is a
state above Arizona, why wouldn’t he also travel to Arizona?

The third unsolved Arizona missing female went missing on February 17, 1975. She was a beautiful 22-year-old woman, Bundy’s type. Bundy has a known murder in January of that year, and March, but February is missing. Again, the times line up. (I will find info on this third girl and hand it over to Jessica to cover.)

Here is the story of the missing sisters:

On July 31st, 1974, Cindy Leslie, 15 and Jackie Leslie, 13 disappeared from
Mesa, Arizona. They were both born to parents, Jack, and Erma Leslie. Cindy
Leslie was born on February 1st, 1959, and Jackie Leslie on February 15th, 1961.
Cindy was 5’6 and 109 pounds with brown hair and blue eyes. Jackie had brown
hair and blue eyes and was 110 pounds at 5’4.

Their parents, Jack, and Erma Leslie had been at church and their
grandmother was home at the time the girls left. She later told police, Cynthia had
received a phone call just before leaving, wrote a note to her parents, and left with
Jackie. That warm July evening, the two girls were seen walking down Baseline
Road away from their home at the Desert Sands Mobile Home Park, near the
intersection at Sossaman Road. They had left a note for their parents saying they
were going to babysit at the “same place,” referencing a family’s home where they
had babysat before.

Erma later learned that the girls had planned on going to a party about three
blocks from their residence on Power Road. Cynthia wanted to see a boy that her
parents had forbidden her to see. It is not clear if they ever arrived at the party.
Some who attended said they never arrived; others who went said they did attend.
That evening when the girls didn’t arrive home. Erma worriedly slept on the
couch waiting for them.
Remember this was a time before cell phones, GPS, and the Internet. The
only means they had was to either leave a note or call on a landline. They lived at a

time when Phoenix and the surrounding areas were still quite rural. You could
smell the sweet orange blossoms drifting from the acres of orchards; families still
sat outside their homes chatting and backyard barbecues brought families together.
At that time Phoenix was still safe and no one worried about their daughters being
out.
The girls left a note that they were going to go babysit. The girls were seen
walking down Baseline Road away from their house. This was the last time they
would be seen. Back in 1974, it was a remote desert surrounded by cotton fields
and orange groves. Police searched the area, but no evidence of the girls was ever
found.
It was a time when kids could run around outside, and parents weren’t
concerned about murderers wandering the streets preying upon their children.

Or at least that was the perception.
At the time of the girl’s disappearance, the Leslie family was new to the
desert mobile home community. They had moved from Page, Arizona, about four
hours north. Jack Leslie, their father, had terminal lung cancer so they moved to be
closer to his doctors but sadly, Jack passed away seven months after his daughters
disappeared.

Erma says the girls would have never left during their father’s illness as they were
very close. Forty-four years later, the girls’ mother Erma Leslie, and their sister
continue the search despite the lack of evidence and the amount of time passed. “I
was sure that they would call me and tell me to come and get them,” Erma said.
“But it didn’t happen. It still hasn’t happened.”
As deputies ran out of theories and leads, Erma took charge. She brought fliers to
sheriff’s departments in Arizona and southern California.
Desperate for answers, she visited a psychic in the Los Angeles area who told her
at the time the girls were alive and near water, so she drove up the California coast
looking for them.
She received an anonymous phone call from Casa Grande from someone who said
Cindy and Jackie were on a train that was going to go through Douglas, Arizona.
Erma and Linda drove there and searched the train, but didn’t find anything.